<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:rawvoice="http://www.rawvoice.com/rawvoiceRssModule/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Libertarians, their Underpant Gnome Economics, a reality distortion field and the labor market</title> <atom:link href="http://libertarianstandard.com/2012/10/03/libertarians-their-underpant-gnome-economics-a-reality-distortion-field-and-the-labor-market/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2012/10/03/libertarians-their-underpant-gnome-economics-a-reality-distortion-field-and-the-labor-market/</link> <description>Property - Prosperity - Peace</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 23:12:14 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator> <item><title>By: IDon'tVote</title><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2012/10/03/libertarians-their-underpant-gnome-economics-a-reality-distortion-field-and-the-labor-market/#comment-2832</link> <dc:creator>IDon'tVote</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 06:31:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=11749#comment-2832</guid> <description><![CDATA[When have hard conditions ever improved the intellectual character and virtues of common people? Sure, ubermenschen might be all like &quot;OMG I SEE THE LIGHT&quot; but the majority of people will become more clannish and easy to scare. This is one reason ancient tyranny persisted for so long; the people were even more ignorant and mystical-minded than they are today.The whole COLLAPSE -&gt; LIBERTARIANISM logic is undercut by the very economic reasoning that good laws and sound money improve social cooperation and personal character.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When have hard conditions ever improved the intellectual character and virtues of common people? Sure, ubermenschen might be all like &#8220;OMG I SEE THE LIGHT&#8221; but the majority of people will become more clannish and easy to scare. This is one reason ancient tyranny persisted for so long; the people were even more ignorant and mystical-minded than they are today.</p><p>The whole COLLAPSE -&gt; LIBERTARIANISM logic is undercut by the very economic reasoning that good laws and sound money improve social cooperation and personal character.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: asmith</title><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2012/10/03/libertarians-their-underpant-gnome-economics-a-reality-distortion-field-and-the-labor-market/#comment-2829</link> <dc:creator>asmith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:34:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=11749#comment-2829</guid> <description><![CDATA[While I do not believe in the coming apocolypse, I also believe current government policies are unsustainable in the near future, and nothing we are talking about even comes close to fixing that. I am unwilling to predict the specific details of whatever comes - but an adjustment is coming. Probably severe and as we may be finally past government options to &quot;fix&quot; it probably short.essentially I believe our choices are make the changes necessary to make what we have work - changes that are more painful that politicians are willing to consider.  Or let the market fix itself which will be shorter - if left alone, more radical and faster.gold cranks should consider that in a severe enough collapse - bread becomes the prefered currency the intrinsic value of gold is far less than the current market value. The primary value of gold is as a political statement about government money.  But the catacylsym necescary to obliterate government money does not help the value of gold.The US does not face problems as severe as the rest of the world. But more so than much of the rest of the world we are still headed in the wrong direction.The wealth we are creating is insufficient to sustain the state we have chosen, something must give.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I do not believe in the coming apocolypse, I also believe current government policies are unsustainable in the near future, and nothing we are talking about even comes close to fixing that.<br /> I am unwilling to predict the specific details of whatever comes &#8211; but an adjustment is coming.<br /> Probably severe and as we may be finally past government options to &#8220;fix&#8221; it probably short.</p><p>essentially I believe our choices are make the changes necessary to make what we have work &#8211; changes that are more painful that politicians are willing to consider.  Or let the market fix itself which will be shorter &#8211; if left alone, more radical and faster.</p><p>gold cranks should consider that in a severe enough collapse &#8211; bread becomes the prefered currency the intrinsic value of gold is far less than the current market value. The primary value of gold is as a political statement about government money.  But the catacylsym necescary to obliterate government money does not help the value of gold.</p><p>The US does not face problems as severe as the rest of the world. But more so than much of the rest of the world we are still headed in the wrong direction.</p><p>The wealth we are creating is insufficient to sustain the state we have chosen, something must give.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ricketson</title><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2012/10/03/libertarians-their-underpant-gnome-economics-a-reality-distortion-field-and-the-labor-market/#comment-2828</link> <dc:creator>ricketson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 07:29:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=11749#comment-2828</guid> <description><![CDATA[Interesting.As you indicate, step 2 in the revolutionary process is the crux of the revolution. A crisis will not result in a good outcome unless the people are ready to make that change. There needs to be both an ideological and institutional foundation for a revolution. If a revolution does happen after a crisis, it will simply follow whatever path that culture moves towards -- whether &quot;more of the same&quot; or fascism, or anything else. I don&#039;t think that commodity currencies have the sort of support that is needed for a revolution to occur, even if the current financial/monetary system collapses. They don&#039;t even have a ton of support among libertarians.I think your analysis of SS is ignoring some important steps. First, SS could run out purely because of political decisions, regardless of the health of the economy. My impression is that it is having problems in part because the formula for payouts is not properly calibrated to the pay-in (e.g. underesmitaming lifespan) ... though I&#039;m no expert on this.  Also, since SS is funded by payroll taxes, increased returns to capital will not improve its balance sheet; that would require a substantial change in the law. So yeah, there is no fundamental economic problem that will prevent most people from retiring with a reasonable standard of living (by 75?), but actually achieving that through SS will  require some major changes that the government never seems willing to push.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.</p><p>As you indicate, step 2 in the revolutionary process is the crux of the revolution. A crisis will not result in a good outcome unless the people are ready to make that change. There needs to be both an ideological and institutional foundation for a revolution. If a revolution does happen after a crisis, it will simply follow whatever path that culture moves towards &#8212; whether &#8220;more of the same&#8221; or fascism, or anything else. I don&#8217;t think that commodity currencies have the sort of support that is needed for a revolution to occur, even if the current financial/monetary system collapses. They don&#8217;t even have a ton of support among libertarians.</p><p>I think your analysis of SS is ignoring some important steps. First, SS could run out purely because of political decisions, regardless of the health of the economy. My impression is that it is having problems in part because the formula for payouts is not properly calibrated to the pay-in (e.g. underesmitaming lifespan) &#8230; though I&#8217;m no expert on this.  Also, since SS is funded by payroll taxes, increased returns to capital will not improve its balance sheet; that would require a substantial change in the law. So yeah, there is no fundamental economic problem that will prevent most people from retiring with a reasonable standard of living (by 75?), but actually achieving that through SS will  require some major changes that the government never seems willing to push.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>