<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:rawvoice="http://www.rawvoice.com/rawvoiceRssModule/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Why Can’t LeBron Get Any Love?</title> <atom:link href="http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/07/27/why-can%E2%80%99t-lebron-get-any-love/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/07/27/why-can%e2%80%99t-lebron-get-any-love/</link> <description>Property - Prosperity - Peace</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 06:54:19 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator> <item><title>By: Why Can’t Kobe Get Any Love? &#171; LewRockwell.com Blog</title><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/07/27/why-can%e2%80%99t-lebron-get-any-love/#comment-1320</link> <dc:creator>Why Can’t Kobe Get Any Love? &#171; LewRockwell.com Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:58:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=3173#comment-1320</guid> <description><![CDATA[[...] previous blog rant about a sports figure—regarding the LeBron Decision and the wrath it wrought—opened with this line, “I have an admission to make…” Here we go [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] previous blog rant about a sports figure—regarding the LeBron Decision and the wrath it wrought—opened with this line, “I have an admission to make…” Here we go [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoffrey Allan Plauché</title><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/07/27/why-can%e2%80%99t-lebron-get-any-love/#comment-724</link> <dc:creator>Geoffrey Allan Plauché</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:11:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=3173#comment-724</guid> <description><![CDATA[Whenever I see &quot;LBJ&quot; I don&#039;t think LeBron James, I think Lyndon Baines Johnson -- and that&#039;s not fair to LeBron! Maybe just call him LJ? :D]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever I see &#8220;LBJ&#8221; I don&#8217;t think LeBron James, I think Lyndon Baines Johnson &#8212; and that&#8217;s not fair to LeBron! Maybe just call him LJ? <img src='http://libertarianstandard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wilt Alston</title><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/07/27/why-can%e2%80%99t-lebron-get-any-love/#comment-723</link> <dc:creator>Wilt Alston</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:43:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=3173#comment-723</guid> <description><![CDATA[I should have checked Mises before I shot off my mouth.  Here&#039;s a piece that covers much of the same ground, but likely better than I did!  Skip Oliva, posting on the Mises Economic Blog:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.mises.org/13221/lebron-and-the-collectivist-mentality/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LeBron and the Collectivist Mentality&lt;/a&gt;]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have checked Mises before I shot off my mouth.  Here&#8217;s a piece that covers much of the same ground, but likely better than I did!  Skip Oliva, posting on the Mises Economic Blog: <a href="http://blog.mises.org/13221/lebron-and-the-collectivist-mentality/" rel="nofollow">LeBron and the Collectivist Mentality</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael Miles</title><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/07/27/why-can%e2%80%99t-lebron-get-any-love/#comment-722</link> <dc:creator>Michael Miles</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:09:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=3173#comment-722</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @libstandard: Why Can LeBron Get Any Love? http://bit.ly/aPyEvy (via @Wiltster) @summertomato @sportsguy33 @troyrmiles&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @libstandard: Why Can LeBron Get Any Love? <a href="http://bit.ly/aPyEvy" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/aPyEvy</a> (via @Wiltster) @summertomato @sportsguy33 @troyrmiles</span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wilton Alston</title><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/07/27/why-can%e2%80%99t-lebron-get-any-love/#comment-720</link> <dc:creator>Wilton Alston</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:13:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=3173#comment-720</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @libstandard: Why Can%u2019t LeBron Get Any Love? http://bit.ly/aPyEvy  (Uh-oh!  One can&#039;t have players getting uppity!)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @libstandard: Why Can%u2019t LeBron Get Any Love? <a href="http://bit.ly/aPyEvy" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/aPyEvy</a> (Uh-oh!  One can&#39;t have players getting uppity!)</span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: wiltster</title><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/07/27/why-can%e2%80%99t-lebron-get-any-love/#comment-837</link> <dc:creator>wiltster</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:12:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=3173#comment-837</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Uh-oh!  One can&#039;t have players have getting uppity.  RT @libstandard: Why Can%u2019t LeBron Get Any Love? http://bit.ly/aPyEvy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Uh-oh!  One can&#39;t have players have getting uppity.  RT @libstandard: Why Can%u2019t LeBron Get Any Love? <a href="http://bit.ly/aPyEvy" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/aPyEvy</a></span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wilton Alston</title><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/07/27/why-can%e2%80%99t-lebron-get-any-love/#comment-721</link> <dc:creator>Wilton Alston</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:12:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=3173#comment-721</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Uh-oh!  One can&#039;t have players have getting uppity.  RT @libstandard: Why Can%u2019t LeBron Get Any Love? http://bit.ly/aPyEvy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Uh-oh!  One can&#39;t have players have getting uppity.  RT @libstandard: Why Can%u2019t LeBron Get Any Love? <a href="http://bit.ly/aPyEvy" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/aPyEvy</a></span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wilt Alston</title><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/07/27/why-can%e2%80%99t-lebron-get-any-love/#comment-719</link> <dc:creator>Wilt Alston</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:09:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=3173#comment-719</guid> <description><![CDATA[Something just dawned on me, and I&#039;m kicking myself for not including it in the original essay.  (It is possible that this was scratching at my psyche and I didn&#039;t even know it.)  This LeBron situation, and much, if not all, of the negative response to it seems really out-of-place, not only looking back at 80s dynasties, as I did, but also when looking at recent data.&lt;strong&gt;The Boston Celtics did what LeBron, D-Wade, and Bosh are trying to do, only a few years back!  &lt;/strong&gt;Boston, apparently under the care and handling of Danny Ainge, acquired Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen.  Now, let&#039;s not worry about their HoF credentials.  Instead, let&#039;s look at the facts.  They--Boston--won a championship with those players.  And those players played like HoF players.  Now LBJ (and Wade and Bosh) are attempting to do what could very easily be described as &lt;strong&gt;exactly the same thing&lt;/strong&gt; in Miami and it&#039;s like LeBron has become the epitome of what&#039;s bad in sports.Hogwash.You know what I think?  I think part of the backlash occurring now, ironically even from other players, is fueled by a feeling that these current players--James, Wade, and Bosh--have had the temerity to take aggressive, directed steps toward what GMs have done in the past.  Not to put too fine a point on it, but it&#039;s almost like people are mad that some of the slaves have decided to organize versus letting the slave-masters determine who works where.(I know.  Again, that&#039;s unfair.)]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something just dawned on me, and I&#8217;m kicking myself for not including it in the original essay.  (It is possible that this was scratching at my psyche and I didn&#8217;t even know it.)  This LeBron situation, and much, if not all, of the negative response to it seems really out-of-place, not only looking back at 80s dynasties, as I did, but also when looking at recent data.</p><p><strong>The Boston Celtics did what LeBron, D-Wade, and Bosh are trying to do, only a few years back! </strong>Boston, apparently under the care and handling of Danny Ainge, acquired Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen.  Now, let&#8217;s not worry about their HoF credentials.  Instead, let&#8217;s look at the facts.  They&#8211;Boston&#8211;won a championship with those players.  And those players played like HoF players.  Now LBJ (and Wade and Bosh) are attempting to do what could very easily be described as <strong>exactly the same thing</strong> in Miami and it&#8217;s like LeBron has become the epitome of what&#8217;s bad in sports.</p><p>Hogwash.</p><p>You know what I think?  I think part of the backlash occurring now, ironically even from other players, is fueled by a feeling that these current players&#8211;James, Wade, and Bosh&#8211;have had the temerity to take aggressive, directed steps toward what GMs have done in the past.  Not to put too fine a point on it, but it&#8217;s almost like people are mad that some of the slaves have decided to organize versus letting the slave-masters determine who works where.</p><p>(I know.  Again, that&#8217;s unfair.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wilt Alston</title><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/07/27/why-can%e2%80%99t-lebron-get-any-love/#comment-718</link> <dc:creator>Wilt Alston</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:58:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=3173#comment-718</guid> <description><![CDATA[Ah hell, this is gonna nag me all day, so I might as well read it all now and respond...(By the way, I can&#039;t help but think your friend works in sports.  Something about the tone that reminds me of friends of mine who work in sports.   Whatever.)  Again, the points he makes are largely valid, but often tangential to what I&#039;m trying to say.  For that reason, I&#039;m kinda stuck with one response:  So?As I&#039;ve said in 2 other (now 3) posts, the NBA Playoffs are won, it seems pretty obvious, by teams with superior firepower.  That is the result, I&#039;d argue inevitably, of a series format.  The regular season, for reasons having largely to do with length, is simply not a good rubric.  For one thing, role players generally play better at home.  For another, the pressure of the playoffs manifest on players in ways that tend to either immortalize them or expose them.  (The comments about Malone being &quot;least clutch superstar of all time&quot; are very well taken in this regard.)Dilution of the talent pool doesn&#039;t change that series-format-arithmetic, it just give teams with *not* superior talent (Cavs?) a chance to compete, if they have one transcendent player.  That is, unless they come upon teams with more than one transcendent player.  (By the way, as I actually said in the piece, who gives a large rat turd if Parker and Manu aren&#039;t headed for the Hall?  They were and are demonstrably better than the Cavs players against whom they competed.)  GM ineptitude doesn&#039;t modify the arithmetic either.   GMs don&#039;t play, they build.  The ones who get a lot of credit somehow assemble talent despite dilution, salary caps, etc.Finally (really this time, we all hope) I am not defending LBJ from attacks about his handling of the situation.  What I am saying is this.  It makes absolute sense for him to seek a team with (what he hopes will be) superior talent.  This path has always made sense, and any suggestion that past players wouldn&#039;t have done it--aside from specific cases like Pippen in Chicago or Jordan&#039;s personal approach--is ludicrous and goes against every praxeological principle we know.  (Yes, I managed to get praxelogy into a sports debate!)  It even goes against empirical data, as players moved around even in the 80s.  It is further undercut when one examines, as I did, the evidence.  The teams that win have superior talent.  By the way, one could certainly argue that such talent seems superior &lt;em&gt;because&lt;/em&gt; the teams won, sort of a chicken-and-egg thing, and that&#039;s fair too.  It just seemed pretty cut-and-dried to me, looking back.  Hey, that&#039;s sports debates!]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah hell, this is gonna nag me all day, so I might as well read it all now and respond&#8230;</p><p>(By the way, I can&#8217;t help but think your friend works in sports.  Something about the tone that reminds me of friends of mine who work in sports.   Whatever.)  Again, the points he makes are largely valid, but often tangential to what I&#8217;m trying to say.  For that reason, I&#8217;m kinda stuck with one response:  So?</p><p>As I&#8217;ve said in 2 other (now 3) posts, the NBA Playoffs are won, it seems pretty obvious, by teams with superior firepower.  That is the result, I&#8217;d argue inevitably, of a series format.  The regular season, for reasons having largely to do with length, is simply not a good rubric.  For one thing, role players generally play better at home.  For another, the pressure of the playoffs manifest on players in ways that tend to either immortalize them or expose them.  (The comments about Malone being &#8220;least clutch superstar of all time&#8221; are very well taken in this regard.)</p><p>Dilution of the talent pool doesn&#8217;t change that series-format-arithmetic, it just give teams with *not* superior talent (Cavs?) a chance to compete, if they have one transcendent player.  That is, unless they come upon teams with more than one transcendent player.  (By the way, as I actually said in the piece, who gives a large rat turd if Parker and Manu aren&#8217;t headed for the Hall?  They were and are demonstrably better than the Cavs players against whom they competed.)  GM ineptitude doesn&#8217;t modify the arithmetic either.   GMs don&#8217;t play, they build.  The ones who get a lot of credit somehow assemble talent despite dilution, salary caps, etc.</p><p>Finally (really this time, we all hope) I am not defending LBJ from attacks about his handling of the situation.  What I am saying is this.  It makes absolute sense for him to seek a team with (what he hopes will be) superior talent.  This path has always made sense, and any suggestion that past players wouldn&#8217;t have done it&#8211;aside from specific cases like Pippen in Chicago or Jordan&#8217;s personal approach&#8211;is ludicrous and goes against every praxeological principle we know.  (Yes, I managed to get praxelogy into a sports debate!)  It even goes against empirical data, as players moved around even in the 80s.  It is further undercut when one examines, as I did, the evidence.  The teams that win have superior talent.  By the way, one could certainly argue that such talent seems superior <em>because</em> the teams won, sort of a chicken-and-egg thing, and that&#8217;s fair too.  It just seemed pretty cut-and-dried to me, looking back.  Hey, that&#8217;s sports debates!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wilt Alston</title><link>http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/07/27/why-can%e2%80%99t-lebron-get-any-love/#comment-717</link> <dc:creator>Wilt Alston</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:51:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=3173#comment-717</guid> <description><![CDATA[I hear you, and I really appreciate your sentiment as a Cleveland die-hard fan.  First, the easy stuff.  I didn&#039;t say that LeBron did it &quot;the right way&quot; at any point.  This is because that part of the debate is irrelevant the points I make.  Hell, I said he probably embarrassed himself.  Secondly, it is entirely possible that internal team dynamics led to the lack of quality talent around him.  Again, that&#039;s just a &quot;why&quot; that relates to them losing, and, in fact, supports my contentions.Next, we can argue about the supposed HoF-ness of past players, but that&#039;s a waste of time.  Why?  They&#039;re &lt;strong&gt;already&lt;/strong&gt; in the Hall!  That you (or I) think [put player here] should or should not be in the hall is irrelevant, since that decision is made.  I admitted that Parker and Ginoboli might be great debates, but who cares?  They were (and are) better than anyone on the Cavs roster at the time, both from objective data (stats) and subjective impression.  (I don&#039;t think you&#039;re saying that the Cavs roster was better than the Spurs, are you?)Finally, as I said to another respondent, it is, almost without exception, true that the NBA Playoffs are won by the team with superior talent.  (Let&#039;s put the debacle with the Kings aside for now!)  Boston put together a team with superior talent, and they did it in the salary-cap-bad-GM era that both you and the other respondent mention.  Again, let&#039;s not argue if KG or Ray Allen or Paul Pierce are headed for the Hall.  Clearly, they provided superior talent for Boston.  And just as clearly they played at that high level during Boston&#039;s run.  It&#039;s about firepower.  Always was.  Always will be.  That Cleveland did not have superior talent is, I think, unarguable.  You may believe that there are valid reasons for this.  Maybe so.One last point, that I didn&#039;t include in the piece that plays, I think, to the contention that past players just &quot;took it and played hard.&quot;  The data just doesn&#039;t support that contention.  Even in the 80&#039;s players moved around and became key cogs in title runs.  Dennis Johnson to the Celtics comes to mind.  (Tiny Archibald, anyone?)  In this regard, what LeBron has done, with D-Wade and Bosh, is absolutely typical of the NBA specifically, and professional athletics generally.  I take strong exception to the suggestion that he&#039;s somehow more shallow or more willing to put winning above other things that is true of anyone who competes at that high level.  Now, it might be that athletes are a-holes generally, or that he is actually more shallow, but this episode doesn&#039;t prove it.  He&#039;s just not unique, judged by almost any rubric, and the formation of his &quot;big three&quot; in Miami ain&#039;t even news, really.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you, and I really appreciate your sentiment as a Cleveland die-hard fan.  First, the easy stuff.  I didn&#8217;t say that LeBron did it &#8220;the right way&#8221; at any point.  This is because that part of the debate is irrelevant the points I make.  Hell, I said he probably embarrassed himself.  Secondly, it is entirely possible that internal team dynamics led to the lack of quality talent around him.  Again, that&#8217;s just a &#8220;why&#8221; that relates to them losing, and, in fact, supports my contentions.</p><p>Next, we can argue about the supposed HoF-ness of past players, but that&#8217;s a waste of time.  Why?  They&#8217;re <strong>already</strong> in the Hall!  That you (or I) think [put player here] should or should not be in the hall is irrelevant, since that decision is made.  I admitted that Parker and Ginoboli might be great debates, but who cares?  They were (and are) better than anyone on the Cavs roster at the time, both from objective data (stats) and subjective impression.  (I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re saying that the Cavs roster was better than the Spurs, are you?)</p><p>Finally, as I said to another respondent, it is, almost without exception, true that the NBA Playoffs are won by the team with superior talent.  (Let&#8217;s put the debacle with the Kings aside for now!)  Boston put together a team with superior talent, and they did it in the salary-cap-bad-GM era that both you and the other respondent mention.  Again, let&#8217;s not argue if KG or Ray Allen or Paul Pierce are headed for the Hall.  Clearly, they provided superior talent for Boston.  And just as clearly they played at that high level during Boston&#8217;s run.  It&#8217;s about firepower.  Always was.  Always will be.  That Cleveland did not have superior talent is, I think, unarguable.  You may believe that there are valid reasons for this.  Maybe so.</p><p>One last point, that I didn&#8217;t include in the piece that plays, I think, to the contention that past players just &#8220;took it and played hard.&#8221;  The data just doesn&#8217;t support that contention.  Even in the 80&#8242;s players moved around and became key cogs in title runs.  Dennis Johnson to the Celtics comes to mind.  (Tiny Archibald, anyone?)  In this regard, what LeBron has done, with D-Wade and Bosh, is absolutely typical of the NBA specifically, and professional athletics generally.  I take strong exception to the suggestion that he&#8217;s somehow more shallow or more willing to put winning above other things that is true of anyone who competes at that high level.  Now, it might be that athletes are a-holes generally, or that he is actually more shallow, but this episode doesn&#8217;t prove it.  He&#8217;s just not unique, judged by almost any rubric, and the formation of his &#8220;big three&#8221; in Miami ain&#8217;t even news, really.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>