Comments on: Since When Does the Livestock Ask the Farmer to Improve the Fence? http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/05/17/since-when-does-the-livestock-ask-the-farmer-to-improve-the-fence/ Property - Prosperity - Peace Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:36:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.3 By: Mhstahl http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/05/17/since-when-does-the-livestock-ask-the-farmer-to-improve-the-fence/#comment-400 Thu, 20 May 2010 00:22:50 +0000 http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=1789#comment-400 Well, first, I have no fence and am not particularly concerned with random waltzing, tangoing, or even break-dancing-I would be bothered if someone began extensive excavations, or was otherwise wantonly destructive. That said, I care not at all that you have such concerns-if you have the time and interest to worry about someone molesting your grass, more power to you.

I am a bit troubled that you seem to think you own my property as well, since I assume that’s what you think from you comment-that you have some business controlling who I invite onto my property, and who I can offer my money to. in fact, that does not go far enough. It would seem that you believe all property is at east partially collectively owned, andthat individuals are bound to the will of the collective(which does not exist, but rather is represented by corrupt people known as politicians). How is that not the very essence of communism?

I’m proud to be an apologist for freedom.

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By: Wilt Alston http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/05/17/since-when-does-the-livestock-ask-the-farmer-to-improve-the-fence/#comment-399 Wed, 19 May 2010 22:21:26 +0000 http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=1789#comment-399 Would you swim across a river, or float from Cuba on a headboard, or ride in the back of a truck for miles with your little children for a chance to stand in line at the Department of Social Services? Neither would I. I don’t think people are fundamentally different just because they happened to be born on one side or the other of an imaginary line in some dirt. And even if they were, who cares? As I said in the piece–where I also address your question–I’m not concerned with livestock slop sharing questions. If welfare is a problem, abolish it. Don’t blame people coming to America in search of opportunity, often the opportunity to pick fruit and mow lawns, for its existence. My suspicion is that if welfare ended tomorrow, the people whining about immigration would find another reason to fear brown-skinned visitors. (By the way, many of these types of questions are addressed in the podcast and articles to which I link in the piece.)

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By: mississippiguesser.blogspot.com/ http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/05/17/since-when-does-the-livestock-ask-the-farmer-to-improve-the-fence/#comment-398 Wed, 19 May 2010 22:09:42 +0000 http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=1789#comment-398 You’re right that nothing is really free; services are provided by the state from tax payers. I do think that people are coming to this country for these services. What makes you think otherwise?

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By: Wilt Alston http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/05/17/since-when-does-the-livestock-ask-the-farmer-to-improve-the-fence/#comment-396 Wed, 19 May 2010 20:17:08 +0000 http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=1789#comment-396 @jjay: Not really. One, people don’t come to America for free stuff. Two, nothing is free anyway. Three, I’d prefer to be free, not livestock, but your mileage may vary.

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By: DennisLeeWilson@Yahoo.com http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/05/17/since-when-does-the-livestock-ask-the-farmer-to-improve-the-fence/#comment-395 Wed, 19 May 2010 20:11:39 +0000 http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=1789#comment-395 @Gondar: The analogy that the fence around your yard is justification for a fence around your country breaks down when your country fence includes MY yard and denies access to it. I am not in your yard, but I am in “your” country. I have a standing invitation for people from anywhere in the world to come to my yard in order to trade with me. Your fence at the border of “our” country is a violation of MY right to travel and to associate and trade with whomever I desire.

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By: jjay http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/05/17/since-when-does-the-livestock-ask-the-farmer-to-improve-the-fence/#comment-394 Wed, 19 May 2010 19:49:20 +0000 http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=1789#comment-394 Since when? When their milk is going to livestock who are getting it for free. That kinda changes things doesn’t it?

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By: Wilt Alston http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/05/17/since-when-does-the-livestock-ask-the-farmer-to-improve-the-fence/#comment-392 Wed, 19 May 2010 15:05:07 +0000 http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=1789#comment-392 @Gondar: You’re conflating ostensible private ownership–the [virtual] fence in my back yard–with public non-ownership–the fence along a made-up border to a country. The two are different. But further, if someone private actually owned all the property along the border, and there was no state involved, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. There would be no such thing as illegal immigration since by definition immigration is directly based upon the statist concept of citizenship, not upon a human process otherwise known as moving. I do like being called an apologist though!

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By: Gondar the Gray http://libertarianstandard.com/2010/05/17/since-when-does-the-livestock-ask-the-farmer-to-improve-the-fence/#comment-391 Wed, 19 May 2010 14:44:11 +0000 http://libertarianstandard.com/?p=1789#comment-391 Specifically, why do you have a fence around your back yard and why is it so necessary to maintain it? My guess is, to keep random people from just waltzing in without your knowledge or approval.

You Criminal Trespasser Apologists are all the same – you conflate illegal immigration (jumping the fence into your back yard) with legal immigration (walking up to the front door and knocking) .
Fortunately, many of us can tell the difference.

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